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1.  Arthur Hrin  
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From: Arthur Hrin <h...@mos.com.np>
Date: 1997/01/01
Subject: Ayurvedic treatment for AIDS using Ayurvedic Medicine

Dr. Kamdev Jha, an instructor at the Ayurvedic Campus of Tribhuvan University says he
can cure AIDS with ayurvedic medicine. He is looking for patients worldwide who would
like to try this alternative.

Also, those interested in studying ayurvedic, Tibetan or tantric medicine in Nepal, read
the following.

Information on students coming to Nepal for study programs offered by
 Nepal - American Friendship Center.

Ayurvedic Medicine, non-degree, seminars & certificate programs:
The following programs are offered for a one week duration. It is highly recommended,
(but not required) that the one week orientation program "Introduction to Ayurvedic
Medicine" be taken by those not familiar with the principals of ayurvedic medicine,
prior to attending the specialty programs.

1. Introduction to Ayurvedic Medicine, overview 1 week program, Kathmandu, "The National

Institute of Science and Technology", Instructed by Kamdev Jha, MD, Auyerveda.
2. Useful Ayurvedic Herbs from the Himalaya, selection & application.
3. Ayurvedic Medicine in allergy, bronchitis, sinusitus.
4. Ayurvedic Medicine in arthritis.
5. Ayurvedic Medicine in gout.
6. Introduction to Ayurvedic Medicine, overview 1 week program, Kathmandu, "The National

Institute of Science and Technology", Instructed by Kamdev Jha, MD, Auyerveda
7. Ayurvedic Medicine in hypertension.
8. Ayurvedic Medicine in  heart disease.
9. Ayurvedic Medicine in  liver diseases.
10. Current topics in Ayurvedic Medicine.
12. Ayurvedic Medicine in  kidney disease, nephritis, nephrosis.
13. Ayurvedic Medicine in  diabetes.
14. Introduction to Ayurvedic Medicine, overview 1 week program, Kathmandu, "The
National Institute of Science and Technology", Instructed by Kamdev Jha, MD, Auyerveda
16. Ayurvedic Medicine in  schitzopherenia and insanity (including demonology).
17. Ayurvedic Medicine in Alzheimers disease
18. Ayurvedic Medicine in  impotance, fertility, & sexual problems.  
19. Ayurvedic Medicine in AIDS.
20. Ayurvedic Medicine in Cancer.
21. Ayurvedic Medicine in  psoriasis, leprosy & skin diseases
.
Costs: by return e-mail
Languages  English, Hindi or Nepali depending on student body.

Hotel accommodations range from guest houses, family stays to five star hotels and will
be arranged for you at extra cost, according to your wishes.

Pending programs:
Tibetan Medicine; seminars and independent study programs.
Ayurvedic Medicine, degree programs at Tribuhaven (National) University in Kathmandu.
1. MD (Ayurvedic Medicine), 6 year program.
Business/Management, degree programs at Tribuhaven (National) University

For further information email us at this address of the following address.
--
Arthur J. Hrin
Teaching Hospital Project for Himalayan Herbal Medicine
Nepal American Friendship Center
GPO Box 213, Buddhist Guest House, Thamel
Kathmandu, Nepal
Telephone 011-977-1-229-972
email: h...@speakeasy.org
visit my homepage http://www.speakeasy.org/~hrin


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The AIDS Cult  
1.  Steven B. Harris  
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From: sbhar...@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)
Date: 1997/01/01
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult

In <32C9E9DB.6...@mclink.it> Randolph Richards <mc2...@mclink.it>
writes:

 The drugs that are being used target specific actions of

>the virus. Both reverse transcriptase and protease seem to have been
>targeted successfully from the reports that are flying around, both
>studies and testimonials.

>If the HIV virus does not exist, then its processes are still being
>stopped somehow. I think it's easier to go with the line that HIV
>exists. People have in fact claimed to have isolated it.

   Yes, well, this nonexistent virus contains a nonexistent protease
and a nonexistent reverse transcriptase, both of which have been
crystalized and molecularly mapped by X-ray diffraction in 3-D, down to
the location of individual atoms, and these models used to develop
drugs to block the enzymes, which drugs have then been put into
patients with the nonexistant virus.  After which, the virus that was
never there, proceeds to go away, or so the tests show.*  If none of
this is real, it seems to me that somewhere, one of these interlocking
steps would cause a few problems with repeatability <g>.  That's how
physics knows there are such things as electrons, of course, even
though (as you say) no bunch of electrons has ever been purified and
then visualized with a microscope (what else, I suppose an electron
microscope).

                                      Steve Harris, M.D.  

* As I was going down the stair,
  I met a man who wasn't there.
  He wasn't there again today,
  Oh, how I wish he'd go away!


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2.  himself  
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From: j...@blackdog.demon.co.uk (himself)
Date: 1997/01/02
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult

sbhar...@ix.netcom.com(Steven "Steven B. Harris" writes:

>    Yes, well, this nonexistent virus contains a nonexistent protease
> and a nonexistent reverse transcriptase, both of which have been
> crystalized and molecularly mapped by X-ray diffraction in 3-D, down to
> the location of individual atoms [...]

How very strange then, that the "virus" cannot be found in human
blood. Only bits of it. Which turn out to be indistinguishable
from bits of other things. For you, of course, Faith is enough.

I notice in your replies to D Brown that you demand the same level
of unquestioning submission to "HIV tests"; procedures known to
be both scientifically invalid and subjectively determined. On
these non-existent foundations you attempt to construct a temple
of "HIV" dogma. In the same way you try to use t-cell counts to
evade the haemophiliac evidence. This is a crazy rat's nest of
illogicality and desperation. No wonder it doesn't fit the real
world at any point.

 John
--
"No particle of HIV has ever been obtained pure, free of contaminants;
 nor has a complete piece of of HIV RNA (or the transcribed DNA) ever
 been proved to exist."                 Dr. Stefan Lanka, virologist.


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3.  Randolph Richards  
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From: Randolph Richards <mc2...@mclink.it>
Date: 1997/01/02
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult

himself wrote:

> sbhar...@ix.netcom.com(Steven "Steven B. Harris" writes:

> >    Yes, well, this nonexistent virus contains a nonexistent protease
> > and a nonexistent reverse transcriptase, both of which have been
> > crystalized and molecularly mapped by X-ray diffraction in 3-D, down to
> > the location of individual atoms [...]

> How very strange then, that the "virus" cannot be found in human
> blood. Only bits of it. Which turn out to be indistinguishable
> from bits of other things. For you, of course, Faith is enough.

Talking about faith. John refuses to look at the abundant pictures of
the HIV virus. He believes the virus doesn't exist so he has no reasons
to look at the pictures or all the other evidence.

> I notice in your replies to D Brown that you demand the same level
> of unquestioning submission to "HIV tests"; procedures known to
> be both scientifically invalid and subjectively determined.

Hey, John, have you got any recent facts to back this up or are you
spouting rot yet again?

> On these non-existent foundations you attempt to construct a temple
> of "HIV" dogma.

Dogma is based on anything but fact. Your tirades are almost always
based on anything but facts. Therefore what is in your tirades is dogma,
pure and simple. Stop projecting.

> In the same way you try to use t-cell counts to
> evade the haemophiliac evidence. This is a crazy rat's nest of
> illogicality and desperation. No wonder it doesn't fit the real
> world at any point.

You have shown absolutely no grasp of the real world in your posts, so I
guess you aren't in any position to judge here.

Either quote some real world facts and not just predigested Continuum
literature, or reduce the bandwidth, please.

You show no respect for anyone with AIDS, anyone in the medical
profession, the governments of the world, any benevolent organizations
that try to help people with AIDS. So, as you are wasting everybody's
time, how about cutting your tripe?

Yours,

R


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4.  ROBERT S. HOLZMAN  
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From: holzm...@mcrcr6.med.nyu.edu (ROBERT S. HOLZMAN)
Date: 1997/01/02
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult

In article <852208236...@blackdog.demon.co.uk>,
  j...@blackdog.demon.co.uk (himself) writes:

> sbhar...@ix.netcom.com(Steven "Steven B. Harris" writes:

>>    Yes, well, this nonexistent virus contains a nonexistent protease
>> and a nonexistent reverse transcriptase, both of which have been
>> crystalized and molecularly mapped by X-ray diffraction in 3-D, down to
>> the location of individual atoms [...]

> How very strange then, that the "virus" cannot be found in human
> blood. Only bits of it.

This is of course total rubbish.  Just how many types of rubbish are you
capable of producing.


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5.  himself  
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From: j...@blackdog.demon.co.uk (himself)
Date: 1997/01/03
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult

holzm...@mcrcr6.med.nyu.edu "ROBERT S. HOLZMAN" writes:

> > How very strange then, that the "virus" cannot be found in human
> > blood. Only bits of it.

> This is of course total rubbish.  Just how many types of rubbish are you
> capable of producing.

Could you explain this? Do you know of a successful isolation of
a complete "HIV" from a human being? (And that is isolation, not
culture. We are discussing human biology here, not cookery.)

 John

--  
"HIV is a metaphor for a lot of quasi-related phenomena. No one has
ever proved its existence as a virus. We don't believe it exists."
         Dr. V. F. Turner, Royal Perth Hospital, Western Australia


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6.  Chris J. Phoenix  
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From: cphoe...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Chris J. Phoenix)
Date: 1997/01/01
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult

cro...@cnp-wireless.com (David Crowe) writes:
>1. Do you agree that AZT is a DNA chain terminator (replacing Thymine)?
>3.  Do you think it is okay to give AZT to a person under a condition
>    of rapid DNA synthesis (i.e. a pregnant mother and her fetus)?

Simplify, simplify... Neither one of these questions has a yes/no
answer.  The first depends on which process (reverse transcription or
normal cellular synthesis) and in either case the answer is
meaningless unless expressed in terms of probability of failure.  The
second depends on a whole mass of medical data and ethics that are
different in each case.

Let's try a few on you.  Remember, answer yes or no:

  Do you agree that cholesterol is a cause of heart attacks?

  Do you think it is OK to avoid heroic resuscitation when there's a
  good chance it will save the patient's life?

The world is rarely black and white.  Drawing artificial lines makes
it easier to think about, and if you get to choose where the lines are
drawn, you can support any theory you like.  Trouble is, there's a
general misunderstanding of logic that says the more lines you draw,
the better; and refusing to accept the presence of a black/white
dichotomy is illogical.  To see this taken to an extreme, debate a
creationist.

Chris


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7.  David Crowe  
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From: cro...@cnp-wireless.com (David Crowe)
Date: 1997/01/02
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult

Chris J. Phoenix <cphoe...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote:

> cro...@cnp-wireless.com (David Crowe) writes:
> >1. Do you agree that AZT is a DNA chain terminator (replacing Thymine)?
> >3.  Do you think it is okay to give AZT to a person under a condition
> >    of rapid DNA synthesis (i.e. a pregnant mother and her fetus)?

> Simplify, simplify... Neither one of these questions has a yes/no
> answer.  The first depends on which process (reverse transcription or
> normal cellular synthesis) and in either case the answer is
> meaningless unless expressed in terms of probability of failure.  The
> second depends on a whole mass of medical data and ethics that are
> different in each case.

I am talking about normal cellular synthesis, ignoring the putative
retrovirus for now. The question is whether AZT interferes with normal
DNA synthesis in the body. I think that you can answer yes or no to
that. I understand that there may be a probability associated with this
answer, which will depend on the dose. But, the question remains, do you
agree that AZT can replace Thymine during DNA synthesis and stop the
process?

- David Crowe


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8.  Steven B. Harris  
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From: sbhar...@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)
Date: 1997/01/03
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult

In <199701021428441097...@agtc136.cadvision.com>

   Well, then, your question answers itself.  Does driving automobiles
kill people?  Yes?  No?  If no, why do people die in automobiles?  If
yes, why would anybody who wants to live, drive?

   At some point the probability of AZT hurting cells is so small, that
any cells killed make no difference (they are lost in the background of
cell death which happens in your body with or without AZT).  At that
point, a difference which makes no difference, is no difference.

 But, the question remains, do you

>agree that AZT can replace Thymine during DNA synthesis and stop the
>process?

   Sure.  Do you agree you can be hit by a meteorite if you ever set
foot outside your cave?  Yes?  No?  Difficult question, isn't it.

                               Steve Harris, M.D.


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9.  BrownDavid  
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From: brownda...@aol.com (BrownDavid)
Date: 1997/01/02
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult

 Since people have been telling you differently for a whole year,
what does that make YOUR statement?  You seem to be ineducatable.

   For the last time, it is perfectly possible to have AIDS by official
CDC definition, and be persistantly HIV-negative.  If you are an adult
with pneumocystis pneumonia, a CD4 count less than 400, and no other
obvious pneumocystis risk factors like chemotherapy, then you have AIDS
by definition.  Even if you are an HIV-negative IV drug abuser.  It's
possible (by definition) in theory; the interesting thing, however, is
that it is never observed in reality.  That's your problem to explain.
There are a lot of HIV-negative IV drug abusers, but nobody has ever
described one with PCP or (consequently) AIDS, despite careful studies
in which thousands of HIV-negative drug abusers have been observed.  By
contrast, pneumocystis pneumonia is common in HIV positive IV drug
abusers.  Which simple fact leads all but flaming idiots to the
suspicition that it's not the drugs per se that are the cause of the
unusually severe immune deficiency being observed here in this
population (for which PCP is a marker).  

   If you still do not understand this, please read the above paragraph
until you do.

                                       Steve Harris, M.D.

Hello this is my first time back on this forum in a long time. The Last
time I  talked to Dr.Harris  it was on the subject of Peter Duesburgs
Study....
"Foreign-protein-mediated immunodeficiency in hemophiliacs with and
without HIV"  .

  For instance, Duesburg says  in Chapter 4.6 Immunodeficiency in
HIV-positive and -negative hemophiliacs.                

 " Twenty-one studies,summarized in Table 3, have obvserved 1,186
immunodeficient hemophiliacs , 416 of whom were HIV-free. immunodeficiency
in these studies was either defined by a T4 to T8-cell ratio of about 1 or
less than1, compared to a normal ratio of 2, or by other test such as
immunological anergy.

 Since  immunodeficiency was observed in the absence of HIV, most of the
studies listed in Table 3 have concluded that immunodefiency in
hemophiliacs was caused by transfusion of factor VIII and contaminating
proteins. According to the first of Koch's postulates (Merriam-Webster,
1965), the absence of a microbe, i.e HIV, from a disease excludes it as a
possible cause of that disease. Thus, transfusion of foreign protien, not
the presence of HIV, emerges as the common denominator of all hemophiliacs
with immundeficiency."  

But in those arguments with you about this ,YOU SAID THAT THE HEMOPHILIACS
WITH IMMUNODEFICIENCY SYNDROME DID NOT GET "AIDS" .  In spite of them
suffering AIDS- like symptoms . Duesburg goes on to say in Chapter 2 of
that study. The HIV-AIDS hypothesis...

..."Since AIDS patients with and without HIV are clinically identical
(Duesburg, 1993b), HIV is in fact only a harmless passenger virus. It is
harmless, because it does not contribute secondary diseases to AIDS
pathogenicity, as for example
pneumocystis pneumonia, candida or herpes virus do. These microbes each
cause typical AIDS-defining opportunistic infection. But HIV does not
appreciably affect the pathogenicity of AIDS as HIV-free and HIV-positive
AIDS cases are clinically indistinguishable...."      

So Doctor maybe you could explain the difference......

  "   For the last time, it is perfectly possible to have AIDS by official
CDC definition, and be persistantly HIV-negative  "

                                   Steve Harris, M.D.

 cause apparently HIV Negative and HIV-Positive Hemophiliacs do come down
with  Immunodeficiency syndrome, you disagreed with me if weather it was
AIDS or not..


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