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From: Arthur Hrin <h...@mos.com.np>
Date: 1997/01/01
Subject: Ayurvedic treatment for AIDS using Ayurvedic Medicine
Dr. Kamdev Jha, an instructor at the Ayurvedic Campus of Tribhuvan University says he Also, those interested in studying ayurvedic, Tibetan or tantric medicine in Nepal, read Information on students coming to Nepal for study programs offered by Ayurvedic Medicine, non-degree, seminars & certificate programs: 1. Introduction to Ayurvedic Medicine, overview 1 week program, Kathmandu, "The National Institute of Science and Technology", Instructed by Kamdev Jha, MD, Auyerveda. Institute of Science and Technology", Instructed by Kamdev Jha, MD, Auyerveda Hotel accommodations range from guest houses, family stays to five star hotels and will Pending programs: For further information email us at this address of the following address. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: sbhar...@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)
Date: 1997/01/01
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult
In <32C9E9DB.6...@mclink.it> Randolph Richards <mc2...@mclink.it> The drugs that are being used target specific actions of >the virus. Both reverse transcriptase and protease seem to have been Yes, well, this nonexistent virus contains a nonexistent protease >targeted successfully from the reports that are flying around, both >studies and testimonials. >If the HIV virus does not exist, then its processes are still being and a nonexistent reverse transcriptase, both of which have been crystalized and molecularly mapped by X-ray diffraction in 3-D, down to the location of individual atoms, and these models used to develop drugs to block the enzymes, which drugs have then been put into patients with the nonexistant virus. After which, the virus that was never there, proceeds to go away, or so the tests show.* If none of this is real, it seems to me that somewhere, one of these interlocking steps would cause a few problems with repeatability <g>. That's how physics knows there are such things as electrons, of course, even though (as you say) no bunch of electrons has ever been purified and then visualized with a microscope (what else, I suppose an electron microscope). Steve Harris, M.D. * As I was going down the stair, You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: j...@blackdog.demon.co.uk (himself)
Date: 1997/01/02
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult
sbhar...@ix.netcom.com(Steven "Steven B. Harris" writes: > Yes, well, this nonexistent virus contains a nonexistent protease How very strange then, that the "virus" cannot be found in human > and a nonexistent reverse transcriptase, both of which have been > crystalized and molecularly mapped by X-ray diffraction in 3-D, down to > the location of individual atoms [...] blood. Only bits of it. Which turn out to be indistinguishable from bits of other things. For you, of course, Faith is enough. I notice in your replies to D Brown that you demand the same level John You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Randolph Richards <mc2...@mclink.it>
Date: 1997/01/02
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult
himself wrote: Talking about faith. John refuses to look at the abundant pictures of > sbhar...@ix.netcom.com(Steven "Steven B. Harris" writes: > > Yes, well, this nonexistent virus contains a nonexistent protease > How very strange then, that the "virus" cannot be found in human the HIV virus. He believes the virus doesn't exist so he has no reasons to look at the pictures or all the other evidence. > I notice in your replies to D Brown that you demand the same level Hey, John, have you got any recent facts to back this up or are you > of unquestioning submission to "HIV tests"; procedures known to > be both scientifically invalid and subjectively determined. spouting rot yet again? > On these non-existent foundations you attempt to construct a temple Dogma is based on anything but fact. Your tirades are almost always > of "HIV" dogma. based on anything but facts. Therefore what is in your tirades is dogma, pure and simple. Stop projecting. > In the same way you try to use t-cell counts to You have shown absolutely no grasp of the real world in your posts, so I > evade the haemophiliac evidence. This is a crazy rat's nest of > illogicality and desperation. No wonder it doesn't fit the real > world at any point. guess you aren't in any position to judge here. Either quote some real world facts and not just predigested Continuum You show no respect for anyone with AIDS, anyone in the medical Yours, R You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: holzm...@mcrcr6.med.nyu.edu (ROBERT S. HOLZMAN)
Date: 1997/01/02
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult
In article <852208236...@blackdog.demon.co.uk>, > sbhar...@ix.netcom.com(Steven "Steven B. Harris" writes: This is of course total rubbish. Just how many types of rubbish are you >> Yes, well, this nonexistent virus contains a nonexistent protease > How very strange then, that the "virus" cannot be found in human capable of producing. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: j...@blackdog.demon.co.uk (himself)
Date: 1997/01/03
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult
holzm...@mcrcr6.med.nyu.edu "ROBERT S. HOLZMAN" writes: > > How very strange then, that the "virus" cannot be found in human > This is of course total rubbish. Just how many types of rubbish are you a complete "HIV" from a human being? (And that is isolation, not culture. We are discussing human biology here, not cookery.) John -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: cphoe...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Chris J. Phoenix)
Date: 1997/01/01
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult
cro...@cnp-wireless.com (David Crowe) writes: Simplify, simplify... Neither one of these questions has a yes/no >1. Do you agree that AZT is a DNA chain terminator (replacing Thymine)? >3. Do you think it is okay to give AZT to a person under a condition > of rapid DNA synthesis (i.e. a pregnant mother and her fetus)? answer. The first depends on which process (reverse transcription or normal cellular synthesis) and in either case the answer is meaningless unless expressed in terms of probability of failure. The second depends on a whole mass of medical data and ethics that are different in each case. Let's try a few on you. Remember, answer yes or no: Do you agree that cholesterol is a cause of heart attacks? Do you think it is OK to avoid heroic resuscitation when there's a The world is rarely black and white. Drawing artificial lines makes Chris You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: cro...@cnp-wireless.com (David Crowe)
Date: 1997/01/02
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult
Chris J. Phoenix <cphoe...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote: > cro...@cnp-wireless.com (David Crowe) writes: I am talking about normal cellular synthesis, ignoring the putative > >1. Do you agree that AZT is a DNA chain terminator (replacing Thymine)? > >3. Do you think it is okay to give AZT to a person under a condition > > of rapid DNA synthesis (i.e. a pregnant mother and her fetus)? > Simplify, simplify... Neither one of these questions has a yes/no retrovirus for now. The question is whether AZT interferes with normal DNA synthesis in the body. I think that you can answer yes or no to that. I understand that there may be a probability associated with this answer, which will depend on the dose. But, the question remains, do you agree that AZT can replace Thymine during DNA synthesis and stop the process? - David Crowe You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: sbhar...@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)
Date: 1997/01/03
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult
In <199701021428441097...@agtc136.cadvision.com> kill people? Yes? No? If no, why do people die in automobiles? If yes, why would anybody who wants to live, drive? At some point the probability of AZT hurting cells is so small, that But, the question remains, do you >agree that AZT can replace Thymine during DNA synthesis and stop the Sure. Do you agree you can be hit by a meteorite if you ever set >process? foot outside your cave? Yes? No? Difficult question, isn't it. Steve Harris, M.D. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: brownda...@aol.com (BrownDavid)
Date: 1997/01/02
Subject: Re: The AIDS Cult
Since people have been telling you differently for a whole year, For the last time, it is perfectly possible to have AIDS by official If you still do not understand this, please read the above paragraph Steve Harris, M.D. Hello this is my first time back on this forum in a long time. The Last For instance, Duesburg says in Chapter 4.6 Immunodeficiency in " Twenty-one studies,summarized in Table 3, have obvserved 1,186 Since immunodeficiency was observed in the absence of HIV, most of the But in those arguments with you about this ,YOU SAID THAT THE HEMOPHILIACS ..."Since AIDS patients with and without HIV are clinically identical So Doctor maybe you could explain the difference...... " For the last time, it is perfectly possible to have AIDS by official Steve Harris, M.D. cause apparently HIV Negative and HIV-Positive Hemophiliacs do come down You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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