You offer nothing but delusions, lies and bullshit.  I reject your
notions.  Continuum is  a collection of fools.

Everything I say about the disappearance of "Aids" from the UK is the
truth. You are not the first here to find it uncomfortable, but during
the time I have been posting to this group my claims have been borne
out.

Well, we certainly wouldn't be able to even to that if you
had your way, which you do on the "AIDS" board that you
moderate.  (Moderate means George is free to delete any
posting that doesn't fit his hypothesis or political
needs.)  

: HIV infection results in a number of sequelae, among them a
: hyperactivation of parts of the immune system (which is why I call
: AIDS the Acquired Immune Dysregulation Syndrome; it is not just a
: deficiency).  This is evidenced by increased levels of IgG.

: Unfortunately, this also results in increased viral load levels.

How interesting.  And just how, may I ask, do you measure
these loads?  And where and when were these tests scientifically
validated?

: Simple ailments activate the immune system which in turn further
: increases viral replication.  If, however, the memory cells that
: recognize the offending pathogen can clear it, this may bring the load
: down.

: The problem that some scientists are (sensibly) grappling with is to
: what extent one can rely on viral load numbers to assess either (a)
: clinical condition and/or (b) the impact of therapies.  In other
: words, they are noting that these tests require validation.

: For those who recognize the pathogenicity of HIV, the common sense

For those who do, could someone please point out one
scientific paper that proves HIV causes ANY disease?

: hypothesis that needs to be tested is that if a regimen can bring
: viral load down in a dramatic (>1.5 log drop) and sustained way, it
: may have a significant impact on clinical condition.  From what I've

Until there is a validated test for viral load, all of
your gibberish is meaningless.

: seen anecdotally among friends on micronutrient regimens plus the
: protease inhibitors and/or the better, safer use of nukes (e.g.,
: 3TC/AZT at lower doses or ddI/d4T), there is a *dramatic* improvement
: in weight, other blood values, CD4 count, etc.  Unfortunately, the
: nukes should not/cannot be used for much more than a year.  So better
: alternatives still need to be found.  But at least some of my friends
: are still around to find them who I would not have expected to be
: celebrating this new year!!

Oh, I guess anecdotal evidence is ok...if it comes from George.

: Finally:  would all you people who keep dithering this HIV is harmless
: nonsense PLEASE PLEASE do me a favor?? Tell me what you think works to
: help people stay alive?  

Why don't you leave your ACTUP (Actively Crying To Use
Pharmaceuticals) meeting and join us in the little room
right behind your stage at the CoHR (Coaltion for Health
Reeducation) meeting next Monday night and talk to some
of the people who have recovered.  People who, against
their doctors wishes, took themselves off of ALL their
medications and started practicing health.  

: If you're just suggesting people with T<100
: are healthy, then get a fucking grip.  That ain't the case.  

Coming from someone who is always screaming that, "all my
friends have died or are dying!" and probably wouldn't
recognize a healthy person if he saw one that is a powerful
statement.  THere are Olympic athletes with T<100.  Manyu
healthy people, particularly vegans and Natural Hygienists,
who have submitted to t-cell testing have been told that
their counts are too low.  Too low for what?  These people
enjoy a level of wellness experienced by few people on this
planet.  And they invariably outlive the doctors who give
the same advice that George parrots and was responsible for
the death of all his friends.

: But what
: should people do?  Or is it just your desire to waste a lot of e-space
: with your rantings and ditherings?  You keep biting your own oroborous
: tails, despite all the evidence.  You are not rational.  And you
: haven't helped a single individual that I know of.  Explain what you
: think people should do??  Or do you want money for your explanations?

:               George M. Carter

No, George, we don't want money, we want trips to Europe
and Asia to demonstrate at conferences.  Do you think
Burroughs (Now Glaxo)Wellcome will give us a few million
like they did for you ActUppers, whose behaved like
Nazi storm troopers at previous conferences?  No.  It is
you who are not rational.  If you don't of people who have
been helped by following holistic protocols, it's because
you don't want to look.  And please don't come back with
your complementary therapy bullshit, because that is all
that it is.  You cannot combine a holistic therapy with
allopathy because holistic therapies require detoxification
and that cannot happen while you continue to poison yourself.

But, you don't want to hear about it, because, once a drug
addict, always a drug addict.  Just because you get them
from a doctor instead of from a pusher doesn't change the
fact that all drugs are toxic and immunosuppressive.

If you object to the open discussions on this board, go
back to where you make the rules, or at least sci.med.aids
where equally foolish people restrict the flow of information.
It is because of people like you and Mark Buzza that this
board came into being.  If you don't like it, and you can't
carry on a debate without foul language, take you buzzwords
somewhere else.

Speaking of buzzwords, could someone explain how a chemotherapy
drug, too toxic to be used on cancer patients, a DNA chain
terminator, suddenly becomes an "anti-viral."  That's funny.
I always thought an antibody to a virus was an anti-viral.

: >Coming from someone who is always screaming that, "all my
: >friends have died or are dying!" and probably wouldn't
: >recognize a healthy person if he saw one that is a powerful
: >statement.  THere are Olympic athletes with T<100.  Manyu

: This is unsubstantiated bullshit--like so much of the rest of your
: post.  You of course resort to insulting me because your positions are
: absurd and ill-informed.

Insult you?  where?  If my positions are absurd, how come my
friends aren't all dying?  THe only ones we've lost are those
who were influenced by your rantings.  And, I don't know how
you do it, but you have the distinction of being the only
person I know who can scream on line without resort to all
caps or even an exclamation point.  (Must be genetic.)

: Your CoHR meetings--I went once and Matt
: Grace spouted plenty of misinformation. You are certainly free to say
: whatever nonsense you like.  I just hope most people ignore you, and,
: thankfully, I'm pretty sure most do.

:               George M. Carter

Not true.  You have never attended a CoHR meeting.  You did
attend part of a lecture one time that I recall.  But I believe
you came in late and left early--not even sticking around for
the question period.  We don't shout, we don't disrupt church
services or stop traffic.  Yes, most people ignore us, and most
of them die.  During Hitler's reign most people ignored the
few who tried to warn them not to get on those trains.  But
they believed they were going to "someplace better than this."
They believed they would be given jobs and homes.  

It's interesting how drug addicts like you and Martin Delaney
(Project [mis]Inform) keep crying for more drugs.  

"But to claimthat dramatically decreased T-cells are not associated with
ill health
(regardless of HIV) is nothing short of absurd. There is a study
of Olympic athletes, showing low T-cell averages - around 300 if I
remember:
nowhere near counts associated with _acute_ risk of opportunitic
infection. There is so much data out there associating really low
T-cells (<100) with a drastically increased risk of death, I think
it is fairly irrefutable, even for this group."

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